New Lift

[SpillwayEast]

I agree about snowbasin...........great lift system and awesome terrian. I skied it the first year they put in the new lifts prior to the olympics........the new access road wasnt in yet either. I rode the gondola single most of the time. I rode up with a patroller who told me they had more lift capacity than parking........love that stat. Highly recommend if you goto Utah spend some time at the basin............hit the shooting star saloon after.

[Alpiner]

Speaking of new lifts... Spring 2022...

https://www.facebook.com/goCVA/posts/6729395297131117

[Glade Monkey]

Speaking of new lifts... Spring 2022...

https://www.facebook.com/goCVA/posts/6729395297131117

So, they're putting it in whether they have the $$$ or not?
BTW - Looks like Saddleback is putting another lift in this summer, Liftblog shows a Partek fixed grip to replace the old Sandy - so likely a used one.

[gondicar]

Speaking of new lifts... Spring 2022...

https://www.facebook.com/goCVA/posts/6729395297131117

So, they're putting it in whether they have the $$$ or not?
BTW - Looks like Saddleback is putting another lift in this summer, Liftblog shows a Partek fixed grip to replace the old Sandy - so likely a used one.

That list is several months old now, and the web link shows that spring 2022 is the “goal” and the fundraising chart shows they are not quite half way to the total funding. Read into that what you will.

https://www.gocva.com/the-podium-project

[Pow on the Mao]

Speaking of new lifts... Spring 2022...

https://www.facebook.com/goCVA/posts/6729395297131117

BTW - Looks like Saddleback is putting another lift in this summer, Liftblog shows a Partek fixed grip to replace the old Sandy - so likely a used one.

liftblog is usually legit. don't think it will be used. if they put in a quad they will have 4 new quads since 2004. w/ 4 quads and a Tbar they might have more uphill capacity than parking!
headed there (again) sat to take advantage of that high base elevation, baby.

tram, gondi, funitel, cog wheel train, 220.. 221 whatever it takes.

[machski]

New rumor spreading at SR is that the old Jordan is now destined for Shawnee in '23 and Barker is getting a brand new lift (back to a 6 is the rumor though I wouldn't count out a quad still). No firm confirmation, LiftBlog still shows the original plan.

[Alpiner]

New rumor spreading at SR is that the old Jordan is now destined for Shawnee in '23 and Barker is getting a brand new lift (back to a 6 is the rumor though I wouldn't count out a quad still). No firm confirmation, LiftBlog still shows the original plan.

Barker is due. Thing makes noises like a haunted house.

[Glade Monkey]

New rumor spreading at SR is that the old Jordan is now destined for Shawnee in '23 and Barker is getting a brand new lift (back to a 6 is the rumor though I wouldn't count out a quad still). No firm confirmation, LiftBlog still shows the original plan.

Barker is due. Thing makes noises like a haunted house.

+100 on the Barker whine, I’ve never heard another lift sound like that

From Peter “I have heard the same rumors.”

[machski]

New rumor spreading at SR is that the old Jordan is now destined for Shawnee in '23 and Barker is getting a brand new lift (back to a 6 is the rumor though I wouldn't count out a quad still). No firm confirmation, LiftBlog still shows the original plan.

Barker is due. Thing makes noises like a haunted house.

+100 on the Barker whine, I’ve never heard another lift sound like that

From Peter “I have heard the same rumors.”

Will be interesting to see how all this goes down. Still odd they started witha Jordan replacement given the nature of the Barker machine. That said, Jordan's normal open later and close earlier than Barker does give them some time padding to gain installation experience with the newer designs than the timeline they will have for build on a Barker replacement.

[Alpiner]

now with layout image...

https://www.facebook.com/goCVA/photos/a ... 2954022012

[Glade Monkey]

Will be interesting to see how all this goes down. Still odd they started witha Jordan replacement given the nature of the Barker machine. That said, Jordan's normal open later and close earlier than Barker does give them some time padding to gain installation experience with the newer designs than the timeline they will have for build on a Barker replacement.

Subtle change in the liftblog 2023 listing...the Barker lift is now blue instead of gray (meaning new) and no mention of moving Jordan anymore.

[skiloaf]

Shawnee sounds likely but who knows. Could go timberline, double runner, king pine. Also two dopp hsq at loon up for replacement with 6s.

[machski]

Well, apparently Loon is putting the old Seven Brothers Triple up for sale, not planning to re-use within the Boyne family. That is of similar design to Shawnee's Summit Triple that was Loon's former North Peak Triple. Have to say I'm a bit surprised they are selling and not saving. Those CTEC triples are solid machines and thought would be a good option on Loons long proposed (though not in their 2030 an shockingly) South Peak learning and access pod.

[JAC487]

Seven Brothers is fast approaching 40 years old. I believe Boyne is trying to reduce chairlift age across all resorts. Speaking of which, why hasn't double runner come up for replacement yet? Its old slow and an antiquated design

[Alpiner]

Seven Brothers is fast approaching 40 years old. I believe Boyne is trying to reduce chairlift age across all resorts. Speaking of which, why hasn't double runner come up for replacement yet? Its old slow and an antiquated design

The worst thing about DR is that it's slow. Otherwise, it's pretty darn reliable. It has none of the issues that Spillway did. Replacing it means figuring out a solution that gives access to Bateau T-bar. IMO relying on the CVA t-bar to provide the link between the top of Boardwalk and Bateau would be pretty klugey, but I suppose that's what it will be.

[Glade Monkey]

Seven Brothers is fast approaching 40 years old. I believe Boyne is trying to reduce chairlift age across all resorts. Speaking of which, why hasn't double runner come up for replacement yet? Its old slow and an antiquated design

The worst thing about DR is that it's slow. Otherwise, it's pretty darn reliable. It has none of the issues that Spillway did. Replacing it means figuring out a solution that gives access to Bateau T-bar. IMO relying on the CVA t-bar to provide the link between the top of Boardwalk and Bateau would be pretty klugey, but I suppose that's what it will be.

Long side turns 50 next year. How about a “simple” fixed grip quad with mid-station to get off at Skyline and also top of Broadway, then end next to #3, pretty much like what we have now?

[essslsclsact]

In my view DR is the least important area in need of a new lift. It’s mechanically ok and works fine. SL has so many more important lift improvements and new lifts like Timberline and the new area on the West side. Get to Bullwinkles and TOS more directly

[Alpiner]

Long side turns 50 next year. How about a “simple” fixed grip quad with mid-station to get off at Skyline and also top of Broadway, then end next to #3, pretty much like what we have now?

What is Broadway?

I sort of like that idea, but it would still be slow. I know Sugarloaf's disdain for midstation lifts is that they have to pay 3 employees to operate the thing. Although on the bright side it would be 3 instead of 5 to run both sides of DR.

[Glade Monkey]

What is Broadway?

What old people call Boardwalk?

[Pow on the Mao]

i think you are all spot on.
they don't have a solution for long side. it might be the CVA Tbar. can't be a popular idea with that crowd. (btw rendering of this lift shows comp hill being absorbed; no longer public)
should probably be a quad; hard to see a quad mid station in that mixing zone...
west mtn and summit access def more important. bets on when towers start going in for West Mtn express?

when DR is gone it will be the end of an era. saw a pic of spillway in its glory on the internet and got all misty eyed.
then i rode skyline and was like, build baby build.

[Alpiner]

i think you are all spot on.
they don't have a solution for long side. it might be the CVA Tbar.

The more I think about it the more I'm convinced the CVA Tbar will be the solution. They probably figure the need for this will be unusual enough. Any DR replacement should be high speed. DR is painfully slow.

can't be a popular idea with that crowd. (btw rendering of this lift shows comp hill being absorbed; no longer public)

I believe I have heard that the mountain negotiated with CVA for such use. We all have to share during times of need. Will be a teachable moment the first few times the rest of the mountain goes on windhold and CVA kids see the public using "their" lift.

Competition Hill is named for exactly this reason. It isn't public. CVA/Colby/UMF just let you use it when they're not. I do think they should keep the upper part open when they are using just the lower part. May need to improve the exit to Sheer-Boom/Skidder.

should probably be a quad; hard to see a quad mid station in that mixing zone...

I could see a midstation, perhaps a little downhill of the current one to make room, but I don't think there is room at the top of longside for a HSQ terminal.

west mtn and summit access def more important. bets on when towers start going in for West Mtn express?

Yes. Honestly if it's not this spring/summer I'll be kind of pissed. (yes I am entitled/privileged/spoiled/etc)

when DR is gone it will be the end of an era. saw a pic of spillway in its glory on the internet and got all misty eyed.
then i rode skyline and was like, build baby build.

It will be the end of an era. Although I also have fond memories of Spillway (Dennis, better maze, the long/short option) its configuration was really more of a problem. The pic of it in The Bag shows the biggest problem - a line at longside and no line at shortside. When snow is good people want to get up high to get the goods. Skyline doubled uphill capacity to the top of longside, and cut operating staff in half. Would be kind of nice if it had a midstation at the top of Spillway though, but I won't hold my breath.

[Glade Monkey]

HSQ makes more sense after all, easier for beginners to get on and off as the chairs slow thru the terminals.
Does the proposed CVA t-bar go up high enough to reach #3? Can't tell from the drawings.
Gould kids have apparently gotten used to the public using their private t-bar when SR has wind holds.

[essslsclsact]

Regarding the new T-Bar. I have a hard time thinking this will be "private" as public funds are being solicited and the Town has contributed significant dollars. It has to be "shared" as appropriate for conditions. I don't think it should be considered a replacement for long side DR. Leave DR as is until higher needs areas are addressed.

[Alpiner]

Does the proposed CVA t-bar go up high enough to reach #3? Can't tell from the drawings.

I directly asked CVA this question and they said yes, it will end just above Tote Road Crosscut, outside the A-netting on Narrow Gauge.

Regarding the new T-Bar. I have a hard time thinking this will be "private" as public funds are being solicited and the Town has contributed significant dollars. It has to be "shared" as appropriate for conditions. I don't think it should be considered a replacement for long side DR. Leave DR as is until higher needs areas are addressed.

I believe the terms are that it will be private when other chairlifts are running. I could be wrong.

CVA is actually a semi-public school as there is no other public highschool in Carrabassett Valley. But CV has a school board and significant tax revenue. CV residents get a significant contribution towards CVA tuition from the town.

CV taxpayers could claim that they deserve full-time access to the lift. I don't think others could.

[goldenboy80]

Why not move the bottom terminal of the Bateau T-Bar down to the top of "Broadway" and then replace the DR with a HSQ that stops there. Then CVA will have the new lift to themselves.

If Bateau is grandfathered and can't be altered then just muscle it through anyway. Sugarloaf should be able to do whatever they want within reason. Just make the cross-cuts safe when the T-Bar is running.

[gondicar]

If Bateau is grandfathered and can't be altered then just muscle it through anyway. Sugarloaf should be able to do whatever they want within reason.

Ha ha yeah I’m sure that would work out just fine.

[goldenboy80]

If Bateau is grandfathered and can't be altered then just muscle it through anyway. Sugarloaf should be able to do whatever they want within reason.

Ha ha yeah I’m sure that would work out just fine.

Are you suggesting the Supreme Court would not take up a case to review the authority of regulators prohibiting a T-Bar terminal relocation?

[Pow on the Mao]

extending tbar down would solve the problem pretty damn effectively. then quad to replace DR, put the top terminal down hill just a tad.

[Glade Monkey]

If Bateau is grandfathered and can't be altered then just muscle it through anyway. Sugarloaf should be able to do whatever they want within reason.

Ha ha yeah I’m sure that would work out just fine.

Are you suggesting the Supreme Court would not take up a case to review the authority of regulators prohibiting a T-Bar terminal relocation?

Check ANSI B77.1-2017 ($200 list price) or wait for ANSI B77.1-2022 coming out in May with more revisions. I'm betting all resort owners like Boyne would comply
The real local problem would be a state inspection for licensing might be delayed or refused while fighting them in court, and maybe the other lifts don't get top priority for inspections either...

[machski]

Why not move the bottom terminal of the Bateau T-Bar down to the top of "Broadway" and then replace the DR with a HSQ that stops there. Then CVA will have the new lift to themselves.

If Bateau is grandfathered and can't be altered then just muscle it through anyway. Sugarloaf should be able to do whatever they want within reason. Just make the cross-cuts safe when the T-Bar is running.

No any any insurance carrier would cover the mountain if they tried to upgrade Bateau in any fashion and not comply with updated codes. No different than having a pro renovate your home, they can't ignore code issues when working and have to bring them up to current codes.