Weather Log 2024-2025

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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby vermontskier1 » Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:34 pm

Glade Monkey wrote:
vermontskier1 wrote:From what I've gathered, Timberline is apparently out of the rotation for the rest of the season - I see they are allowing uphill to spillway xcut. Does anyone know if they are allowing hiking only access to the summit? Is there even any snow left up at Timberline?

Days when they do allow uphill it is only as high as patrol can go and usually noted in the mtn rpt. As you noted that is now Spillway XCut.


Cool, that's kind of what I thought was the case. Generally speaking, do folks still hike to the top anyway - up Timberline, out of view? I understand the whole safety thing, but I know other mountains will bascially say "You're at your own risk past this point" - wasn't sure if that's the case at Sugarloaf as well, or if they're aggressive about keeping people within patrol coverage.

For the record, I've been up there many times and the mountain was my home area/work for a period of time previously - so I'm not some random Jerry off the Street or anything. LOL
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby Glade Monkey » Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:12 am

4/14/25 “For late-season operations, the lift schedule has been simplified to Superquad, Skyline, and Skidway at 8:30 a.m. and King Pine at 9:00am.”
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby Glade Monkey » Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:45 pm

4/16/25 afternoon update
The snow surface was pretty slick today, so Ski Patrol closed all ungroomed terrain. Thankfully, our snowpack still looks pretty good, so as soon as the surface softens, we should be able to open the bulk of our trails back up.
The lift schedule for tomorrow includes Superquad, DRC-B, Skyline, and Skidway for 8:30am. King Pine donated an organ to Superquad today, so it will not be spinning tomorrow. Bucksaw Express will spin for Ski Patrol to remove pads from the towers only.
Uphill travel is closed due to conditions.
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Weird Winter

Postby Alpiner » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:06 pm

I realize this winter is above the 6 year average for total snowfall, but it doesn't feel like it. Been a weird winter. We have now had more snow in April than in March. February had almost double the snowfall as March.

I never got into Brackett Basin. Or any trees for that matter.

Hoping for a repeat of 2022-2023 next year.
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Re: Weird Winter

Postby High Ball » Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:33 pm

Alpiner wrote:I realize this winter is above the 6 year average for total snowfall, but it doesn't feel like it. Been a weird winter. We have now had more snow in April than in March. February had almost double the snowfall as March.

I never got into Brackett Basin. Or any trees for that matter.

Hoping for a repeat of 2022-2023 next year.


Wow....I'm surprised at that stat. You're right, it didn't feel like it. I thought it was one of the worst winters in the 30 years I've been up here.
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby Frontface » Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:05 pm

I agree. Weird weather. Even though the temperatures didn't set records (for being so low) it seemed that every time I was out, I was chilled to the bone! The combination of moderate-to-high winds, temps in the single digits and teens, and clouds blocking the sun, made for uncomfortable outings. My biggest disappointment has come in the last month; it seems that the grooming has become very limited! Mostly the intermediate trails have gotten the love. While I prefer high speed cruising on groomed slopes, I understand that others prefer the natural conditions found on ungroomed slopes. In the past, Sugarloaf has given us the best of both worlds; one side of a trail is groomed and the other side of the trail is left natural. Pick the side you want and have fun! I hate to sound cynical, but I assume that leaving the majority of the trails "au natural" is a money-saving move. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but I don't see why they can't "half groom" more of the advanced trails. Add to that the fact that every night in April has been so cold that there has been no thawing of the surfaces the next morning. It's been early afternoon before most of the trails have softened up and even then, there really hasn't been any spring skiing on the upper half of the mountain. There's nothing that Sugarloaf can do about the temperatures, but it just adds to the "weird weather" pronouncement. Rain. Flash freezing. Mid-winter weather in April. Not a winning combination.
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Re: Weird Winter

Postby Glade Monkey » Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:30 am

Alpiner wrote:I realize this winter is above the 6 year average for total snowfall, but it doesn't feel like it. Been a weird winter. We have now had more snow in April than in March. February had almost double the snowfall as March.

I never got into Brackett Basin. Or any trees for that matter.

Hoping for a repeat of 2022-2023 next year.


The season started strong biggest storm was in November. Then the January rain/freeze reset came in early December. Then we had another reset for New Years.
February had a lot of natural snow but also too many windy days which either followed a hard freeze or a melt.
They forgot to make snow and build base from mid-Jan to early March. Apparently pushed all the chips into the middle of the table to bet on natural.
Timberline was on hold more than half the days it was scheduled, and the backside never opened.
Bracket was open for about 30 days out of an expected 163 operating days but there was never a huge dump to lure me in.
They have been padding the snow totals in April.
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Re: Weird Winter

Postby Alpiner » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:31 am

High Ball wrote:Wow....I'm surprised at that stat. You're right, it didn't feel like it. I thought it was one of the worst winters in the 30 years I've been up here.

I'm convinced that's because the Bucksaw area has spread snowmaking and grooming resources too thin. And then there was the unexplained and utterly mystifying "snowmaking pause" in January, right when it was needed most.

Frontface wrote:I agree. Weird weather. Even though the temperatures didn't set records (for being so low) it seemed that every time I was out, I was chilled to the bone! The combination of moderate-to-high winds, temps in the single digits and teens, and clouds blocking the sun, made for uncomfortable outings.

Huh, I actually thought it was one of the milder winters. I can't recall any days below zero F, and I thought Skyline and SQ wind holds were fewer. (I don't pay attention to Timberline wind holds)

My biggest disappointment has come in the last month; it seems that the grooming has become very limited!

See above re: Bucksaw. Many trails that used to get groomed every night were not this year.

Mostly the intermediate trails have gotten the love. While I prefer high speed cruising on groomed slopes, I understand that others prefer the natural conditions found on ungroomed slopes.

Not grooming Spillway every night is stupid. Someone seems to be very nostalgic for the days (about 40+ years ago) when Spillway was a gnarly black diamond and usually a bump trail. Sure if you want it to bump up, wait for a big dump, then don't groom it. But then groom it again as soon as the bumps become unusable, like after a thaw/freeze. Too often there are days when Spillway is unenjoyable when it could have been easily made enjoyable by grooming.

In the past, Sugarloaf has given us the best of both worlds; one side of a trail is groomed and the other side of the trail is left natural. Pick the side you want and have fun! I hate to sound cynical, but I assume that leaving the majority of the trails "au natural" is a money-saving move.

I disagree that it is a majority of trails. Anyway half-grooming Spillway has been impossible since Skyline was installed in 2011. Haulback gets partially groomed. I'd say the trails that are historically typically groomers are still groomed, just less often thanks to Bucksaw.

Glade Monkey wrote:The season started strong biggest storm was in November. Then the January rain/freeze reset came in early December. Then we had another reset for New Years.
February had a lot of natural snow but also too many windy days which either followed a hard freeze or a melt.
They forgot to make snow and build base from mid-Jan to early March. Apparently pushed all the chips into the middle of the table to bet on natural.
Timberline was on hold more than half the days it was scheduled, and the backside never opened.
Bracket was open for about 30 days out of an expected 163 operating days but there was never a huge dump to lure me in.
They have been padding the snow totals in April.

Biggest dump was indeed on Thanksgiving. Sad.
If Brackett was open for 30 days I completely did not notice. I would have guessed 5 to 10. That said I don't even go to King Pine unless there's soft/fresh snow. The grooming over there is mediocre.
Karl said in that video that the January snowmaking pause was deliberate, but did not give a reason. Utterly mystifying. Can only assume money.
I will give mother nature some credit for no rain from January 1 to March 5. I know it was March 5 because I invited a sizeable group of carvers up to enjoy what is typically the best week of the year. Sorry about that.
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby SpillwayEast » Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:09 pm

Im impressed with the time Alpiner takes to customize his reply with individual quotes............well done!

Also for a better Cat Skiing experience I would recommend heading to Big Squaw/Big Moose..........its awesome.
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby Alpiner » Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:45 pm

SpillwayEast wrote:Im impressed with the time Alpiner takes to customize his reply with individual quotes............well done!

As a software developer with some degree of OCD, I can't not do this. :lol:

Also for a better Cat Skiing experience I would recommend heading to Big Squaw/Big Moose..........its awesome.

Interesting!!
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby loafman207 » Sat Apr 19, 2025 4:57 pm

The big moose cat is great. Would be nice to have our cat operation exist in more than just the marketing material
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025 -wrap-up

Postby Glade Monkey » Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:57 am

As the season winds down I added some new calculations at the bottom including MAX and MIN (greater than 0) for snowfall in a day, open trails, lift holds etc.
Max open terrain was 1137 out of 1299 acres and 155 out of 174 trails. Average was 438 acres and 77 trails.
Max open lifts was 14 of 15. Average was 9. Timberline had a hold 55% of the days it was scheduled.
The season will either be 156 or 157 days long depending on if they can open the bonus Saturday in May.
If there is no more snow, then the 6 year average is 150 inches, with 110 after Christmas. 45 snow days and 15 rain days.

Happy Spring & have a great summer!
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby Pow on the Mao » Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:27 am

well done GM
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby Alpiner » Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:32 am

Yes, thank you for keeping this going. It's fun to look at.
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby loafman207 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 11:33 am

Very interesting. Wonder how many skiers there were on the busiest day of the year (which I assume was some february saturday)
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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby Alpiner » Sun Apr 27, 2025 9:31 pm

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Re: Weather Log 2024-2025

Postby gondicar » Wed May 21, 2025 3:21 pm

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